12 minutes, 30 seconds with @FairQuestions Vivian Krause

Vivian Krause – photo: Postmedia

Readers of CityCaucus.com are no strangers to Vivian Krause, who kindly shared some of her detailed research on our blog back in 2010 – you can find links to these articles here. Krause became a national sensation last week after Hon. Joe Oliver – Minister of Natural Resources published the following remarks. The excerpted text below in particular triggered a debate over whether foreign-funded charities are unfairly influencing economic and environmental policy in Canada:

Unfortunately, there are environmental and other radical groups that would seek to block this opportunity to diversify our trade. Their goal is to stop any major project no matter what the cost to Canadian families in lost jobs and economic growth. No forestry. No mining. No oil. No gas. No more hydro-electric dams.

These groups threaten to hijack our regulatory system to achieve their radical ideological agenda.

Though it was widely reported as such, the Minister didn't refer to anyone as being 'radicals'. Rather he labeled the quest to halt resource development in Canada as being a 'radical' agenda. Minister Oliver's remarks stem indirectly from the findings of Ms. Krause, who has – perhaps at least for the moment – become the most influential blogger in Canada. Krause has been insistent that the issue is not so much the "foreign" origins of the funding, but the questionable use of charities in pursuit of political agendas.

The people she asks her "fair questions" of – such as the leadership at the charity Tides Canada – are likely not comfortable with the scrutiny. Donor-advised giving organizations such as Tides are meant to keep the originating source of funds on the QT. Tellingly, the bio of a Tides board member didn't even mention his connection to the charity in a recent Globe op/ed.

They've garnered the support of friendly third parties to try and raise doubts about Krause, such as the political warhorse Allen Garr, who coolly insinuates that she's a fraud. Others have mischaracterized her as a shill on the payroll of big oil, or a wag for the federal Conservatives. Krause denies both accusations. She is likely the most honest broker in the whole debate, but to those she has shed light on Krause must seem like the devil incarnate.

Though Krause is regularly featured in mainstream media today, it was only last fall that she became a hot property for media interviews. To his credit, it was CKNW Legislative reporter and weekend talk show anchor Sean Leslie that gave Krause her most unfettered radio platform yet to make her case just six days before the last municipal election. During a twelve minute, thirty second segment on his program, Krause describes a complicated web of charitable and political funding, and the people behind it (hear mp3).

Krause talks about her concerns that charitable dollars were used to fund the political campaign of Vision Vancouver, and questions how millions were spent to manage a charity that only granted to one entity – Tides Canada. She begins by discussing the connection of Vancouver's mayor to these US-funded charities that are stirring up headlines today by funding the campaign to prevent oil tankers on our north coast. Though not germane to Krause's interview with Leslie, it's noteworthy that Gregor Robertson was once a board member for both Tides Canada and the Dogwood Initiative organization.

Here below is the transcript of the November 13, 2011 interview of Vivian Krause on the Sean Leslie, World Today This Weekend program.

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Sean Leslie:

My next guest is an intrepid researcher who takes the old saying 'follow the money' very seriously. She has a lot of questions for Mayor Gregor Robertson. The mayor declined our request for an interview on-air this weekend. Vivian Krause, researcher and writer, welcome to the show.

Vivian Krause:

Thanks for having me, Sean. Great to be here.

Leslie:

Vivian, tell us about yourself. You maintain a blog called Fair Questions. What's it all about?

Krause:

Well, actually, Sean, it's just some information I started to stumble across by accident actually a couple of years ago. I'm a board member of a non-profit, and I was actually looking for funding for our non-profit, it's the Adoptive Families Association. And I came across a grant for environmental groups that were funding the campaign against salmon farming. Turned out it was funded as a very sophisticated marketing strategy for Alaskan salmon. In other words scare people away from farmed salmon and that props up the market for the alternative which is Alaskan salmon.

That was a couple of years ago, and it was what got me looking for the funding behind the environmental movement. I've written a series of articles for The Financial Post about that, and it was during the course of that I accidentally stumbled some information that prompted me to look at the campaign finance of Vision Vancouver.

Leslie:

Before we get to that, I gotta ask you this because you know the municipal election is now less than a week away. Are you a supporter of a particular political party or candidate here, Vivian?

Krause:

No, I'm not, Sean. I'm not a part of any political party, campaign or industry. I've been trying to raise this, and I wrote Gregor Robertson, the mayor, a letter in September of last year. Actually, I worked very hard to piece this together in the summer of 2010. Because I think politicians should be elected and re-elected on the basis of their performance, not some issue that pops up in the last week before an election. So I've been trying to raise this now for over a year. I've written to Mayor Robertson for over a year to ask him some fairly straightforward questions, I've never got a straight answer. So I guess now that it's election time finally people are starting to take a look at this.

Leslie:

Well, what are the questions? What are the issues you have with regard to Mayor Robertson?

Krause:

Well, the central question here is whether Vision Vancouver, has indirectly but knowingly accepted several hundred thousand dollars of election campaign funding originated from a pair of American-funded charities. These are the Endswell Foundation and Tides Canada. Now the fact that–and central to this issue, uh, is at the heart of it here is in fact the treasurer of Vision Vancouver, and Joel Solomon, the man who supposedly is the single biggest financial backer of Mayor Gregor Robertson. The fact that Joel Solomon and people associated with him have given him several hundred thousand dollars is nothing new. The Vancouver Sun reported that a year ago.

Leslie:

Right.

Krause:

But what I stumbled across in the US tax returns really surprised me, because in fact Joel Solomon was paid a $186,000 salary out of the charity that supposedly he had created. So, that right away surprised me because I thought that Joel Solomon was financially independent, that he was this millionaire philanthropist. But in fact, US tax returns show that he has been paid as president of this charity, he's paid himself nearly a million dollars. Over the past 14 years he's been on the payroll of this charity that supposedly he created.

That was the first thing that raised questions for me. And the second thing was that I found in fact that the salaries of ALL of the people at this so-called investment firm [Renewal Partners] that has been the biggest funder of Vision Vancouver have all been paid by the charity. So, in other words, Joel Solomon is the president of the charity [Endswell Foundation] and is president of the investment firm [Renewal Partners]. And the charity has been paying, to the tune of $2.3 million, has paid the salaries of the investment firm. You know, what kind of investment firm has its salaries paid for by a charity?

And also that's the so-called investment firm behind Happy Planet.

Leslie:

Really? What's the investment firm called?

Krause:

The investment firm is called Renewal Partners, which shares a website with in fact – if you look at the website of Revenue Canada you'll see there that the website of the charity and the website of the investment firm are the same. So my question is, is this investment firm part and parcel of a charity, or is this a charity-subsidized investment firm?

So there is actually two investment firms. One is Renewal Partners, and the other is Interdependent Investments Limited. Now I first wrote to Mayor Robertson about Interdependent Investments Limited last September, over a year ago. The question I have about that is the only revenue stream I can find for Interdependent Investments is the Endswell Foundation, the charity, who has paid the investment firm over $1.4 million. So it follows that if Interdependent Investments doesn't have any other revenue streams then the money that Interdependent contributed to Vision Vancouver originated from the charity.

And the thing is here that the treasurer of Vision Vancouver – Martha Burton – has simultaneously been wearing four hats, so to speak. She's the treasurer of Vision Vancouver, she's the vice-president of Renewal Partners, the secretary of Interdependent Investments, and she's the vice-president of the charity. So she's simultaneously involved in the political party, the investment firms, and the charity.

So you know I think if money has been coming indirectly to the charity, through a series of investment firms and PR companies, then the treasurer from Vision Vancouver would know.

Leslie:

Now, what's wrong with that though? If we go back to the Endswell Foundation being the source of this money, being the charity, what's wrong with it maybe funnelling money into Vision Vancouver?

Krause:

Well, there's a couple of things, Sean. Number one: charity is really important, you know charity money should go to charity. It's not as though there is no one in need. And no politician should stoop to taking money from a charity, least of all someone who campaigned on a promise to end homelessness.

And it's against the rules. You know, charities are not allowed to fund political parties. Right? It may be that this is all technically correct, but it's unethical for charities to use investment firms as some sort of a front to distance themselves from it in that way.

Leslie:

What else do we know about the Endswell Foundation?

Krause:

It's closed.

Leslie:

Oh, it is?

Krause:

Since I started asking questions about it the Foundation has essentially shut down. They had a $600,000 payroll in 2009, and 2010 after I started asking questions they didn't pay any more salaries. And in fact they reported to Revenue Canada they only had ten or twelve thousand dollars in expenses. Incidentally, Martha Burton also her involvement with Interdependent Investments ended – ONE WEEK after I wrote to the mayor about this in April. So she's no longer involved in Interdependent Investments.

It's a number of things like that – I think it's a straightforward question. In fact the Vancouver Sun asked Robertson about this in an editorial board meeting. I happened to read about it in the live blog of the meeting. And he was asked, “did Vision Vancouver accept money that originated from a charity?” And the mayor said, well corporations are allowed to donate to charities, which is true, but that wasn't the question, right? […] Then he was asked “what does this company [Interdependent Investments] do?” and he just blew off the question.

But the crazy thing is, if there is one donor to Vision Vancouver that Mayor Robertson should find out very easily it's Interdependent Investments, because his right hand guy Joel Solomon is the president. And his treasurer has been the long-term secretary. He should probably have these people on speed dial, right?

Leslie:

Yeah.

Krause:

It would be so easy for him just to ask a straightforward question. “What other sources of revenue does Interdependent Investments have?” And if the answer is they don't have any, well then it's pretty clear that the money that was contributed to Vision Vancouver originated indirectly from a charity.

Leslie:

Now, you've also mentioned the group Tides Canada. There's also Tides USA. I know you've dug into these groups. Who are these folks? What are Tides?

Krause:

Well, that's the thing. They say they are funding environmental causes and social justice, which is really important work. You know, it would be great if they were actually doing that. And ironically, most of my research is based upon American tax returns, because of the fact the IRS requires far greater disclosure than Revenue Canada does. And these charities are registered in the U.S., which means they can accept money from American sources.

I've traced $60 million that's gone into Tides Canada. And it's running campaigns, supposedly environmental campaigns against every single one of our resource-based industries – forestry, mining, the energy sector, aquaculture. The thing is though, when you look at them closely, what I find is that in fact these so-called environmental campaigns are protecting American economic trade and market interests.

For example, the campaign against oil tanker traffic on the north coast of British Columbia – the strategic north coast – would block oil exports to Asia. No oil tanker traffic, no exports of Canadian oil to Asia, all in the name of protecting the Kermode bear, the so-called Great Spirit Bear.

So that's just one example of a heavily funded – I've traced $90 million from the Hewlett Foundation and the Packard Foundation that has gone into environmental groups in B.C. The thing is that park isn't called the Hewlett-Packard Park, it's called the Great Spirit Bear Initiative.

Leslie:

Yeah.

Krause:

So the thing about Tides, the concern that I have is I've traced $150 million that's gone into the Boreal Forest Initiative and the Great Bear Rainforest Initiative, I've only found $25,000 – only one grant – that was to address the pine beetle. If these American foundations really care so much about our forests, why aren't they doing anything about the pine beetle [infestation]?

Same thing with aquaculture, they're funding a multi-million dollar program to supposedly reform salmon aquaculture. Well, I'm all for reform for salmon aquaculture reform, but in ALASKA. Because they grow more than twice as much salmon as B.C., and their approach to salmon aquaculture, which is ocean ranching, poses far greater risks to the food chain and the carrying capacity of the Pacific.

So I don't see how these campaigns are addressing the true environmental problems. Where wild salmon is in trouble is on the EAST coast of Canada. Thirty-two or thirty-four rivers [salmon] are endangered or extinct, but the place these American foundations are spending the money is on the west coast where in fact last year we had the highest return of the Fraser sockeye in nearly one hundred years. So I don't see how these campaigns are truly addressing the real environmental problems, but I do see how they're protecting, as I said, market, trade and economic interests.

Leslie:

Have you shown any link between Tides Canada and Endswell, the charity we're talking about with Vision Vancouver here?

Krause:

Totally, yes, the senior leadership is the same, including the treasurer. And since 2003, ninety-nine per cent of the money that Endswell has granted to the tune of $8.7 million has simply gone from Endswell to Tides Canada. So in essence, what they're doing is just transferring money, if I'm not mistaken, from one pocket to the other. Actually, I don't have a problem with that, but what does raise questions for me is that they had to spend $11.4 million in the process.

So during all those years when Endswell didn't make one single grant to any organization other than Tides Canada, what were they doing? Why did their office expenses need to increase three and four-fold? Why do they need $700,000 in office expenses and salaries when they weren't making one single grant except through Tides Canada? That's what I've called the $11.4 million question.

These several hundred thousand dollars in campaign finance, I've traced about $400,000 that's gone into Gregor Robertson's path to power, both with the NDP and with Vision Vancouver. But the bigger question is, what about that $11.4 million? What was that spent on?

Leslie:

Bottom line, is this evidence in your mind that American groups are trying to influence public policy in Canada, in B.C?

Krause:

Well, there are some pretty interesting examples. The Rockefeller Brothers fund, for example, through Tides Canada funded a website, comes under the name of Greenpeace against Alberta tourism. So that's my concern too, this American money hasn't exactly been out in the open. I've traced $300 million of it, and I stumbled across this by accident going through U.S. tax returns for Canadian charities.

I'm all for protecting the environment. I'm not at all an anti-environmentalist. But I think maybe there is more to this than meets the eye initially.

Leslie:

Vivian, we'll have to have you back on, fascinating stuff. I've gotta run. Thanks so much for your time.

Krause:

Thanks, Sean. Have a great afternoon.

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  • Pat Johnsone

    “Minister didn’t refer to anyone as being ‘radicals’. Rather he labeled the quest to halt resource development in Canada as being a ‘radical’ agenda”.
    Nice try, but all the weasel words in the world won’t change what he said. You quoted him yourself:
    “Unfortunately, there are environmental and other radical groups that would seek to block this opportunity to diversify our trade.”
    He specifically groups any environmental group who might be opposed to this specific project as part of a larger collection of “radical groups”.
    If I said “there are many business people and other cowardly pundits who post inflammatory things on political blogs while hiding behind the pseudonym “Staff Writer”. You would safely assume I was calling you cowardly. Just using that an example. I’m not saying…

  • @Pat. Thanks for your comment. This post is a transcript of a full interview that our readers might find interesting in light of our previous entries featuring Vivian Krause’s writing. The intro is meant to provide context for our readers and to report what was said, not what was interpreted by others. If you think the Minister referred to any person or group as radicals you wouldn’t be alone, but it was not what Oliver’s letter said.

  • boohoo

    Oh Mike come on…
    The quote
    “Unfortunately, there are environmental and other radical groups that would seek to block this opportunity to diversify our trade.”
    Radical groups. It’s right there in the quote. He might have meant something different, but he said radical groups.
    Also, have you seen that video of my favorite comic Kathryn Marshall? (thanks for introducing such a clown to me here!) Comedy gold.

  • Higgins

    Pat, you miss the point.
    If you didn’t know the names of those groups…start with Tides, Rockefeller, Endswell… continue with Vision Vancouver, Hollyhock, WWW, Suzuki … read the interview. Do some research. Vivian should be praised for her work, not attacked by the very people she is trying to defend.
    But who knows whose side are you, right?
    Solomon & gang did a lot of money spreads around Vancouver too.
    The philanthropic crooks are not doing this from the bottom of their good hearts. It’s about oil, it’s about mining, it’s about water, it;’s about money. Resources. Don’t be fooled.
    Good job Vivian! Thanks for posting this CC & Mike.

  • Pat Johnstone

    I don’t think I miss the point. Now that the political left is finding creative funding solutions that the political right have practiced for years, the right are ready to pounce on it as some sort of unfair advantage.
    It is disingenuous for anyone who receives funding from Multi-National Corporations to demand that their opponents only get funding from domestic groups. It is also disingenuous for those same groups to complain about lack of transparency when EthicalOil.com is being hosted from the same IP address as Jason Kenny’s personal site…there is plenty of AstroTurf to go around.
    But really, this is all about blaming messengers when you have no convincing response to the message

  • Ned

    Pat, two things. One, you have no idea what you are talking about. Two, you are a lackey propagandist for Vision type/ Enviro Charities crap. Period.
    There is no way in hell that I want or accept that my country’s policies to be manipulated by “American” interests and boy, who knows who is hiding behind this curtain of lies and deception. Let’s keep the lies, WMD and BS in the Middle East where it belongs, a place where I see that these groups excel in creating havoc, destabilization, bringing death and poverty. Disgusting.
    Way to go Mrs. Krause! Continue to untangle this charitable web. And thanks.

  • boohoo

    Ned,
    LOL.

  • Pat Johnstone

    Ned, Excellent points. Allow me to retort.
    One: Prove it. What did I say that was factually incorrect?
    Two: Something you should discuss with your therapist.
    Like it or not, your Country’s policies are manipulated by interests from around the globe. From multination environmental advocacy groups from Germany encouraging sustainable energy development to multinational oil companies from Texas promoting free trade of raw bitumen to multinational churches from Rome fighting on social issues.
    I think Ms. Krause is doing good work exposing these (very poorly hidden – one might even say openly admitted) links to Vision, but it is disingenuous to assume that the exact same thing is not happening on the other side of the debate.

  • Max

    There are ‘creative funding solutions’ and then there is money laundering.
    And let’s not forget the issues of taxes that should be paid on monies.
    Taxes that support programs that the ‘left’ seem to cry about when there isn’t enough funding.
    (Nice of you to link this to the ‘left’ though._

  • Max

    ‘Your countries policies’ Pat?
    Are you not a Canadian?

  • Max

    For those that want to see a list of Endswell Grantees:
    http://www.renewalpartners.com/grants/endswell-foundation/endswell-grantees

  • Pat Johnstone

    Not that it is relevant to this discussion, but born and raised right here in BC.
    But why is no one addressing the point, and only questioning my motivations?
    Don’t worry, I pay Canadian Income Tax on those fat cheques I get from radical groups for posting to City Caucus. I’m making a killing on exchange rates these days.
    /sarcasm

  • Glissando Remmy

    The Thought of The Night of The Long Knives
    “Deja Vu…”
    On April 17, 1982, Queen Elizabeth II came to Ottawa to proclaim the new Constitution Act for Canada.
    Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau said: “Why don’t we get patriation first, nobody can object to that-then give ourselves two years to solve our problems over the amending formula and the charter, and failing that, consult the people in a referendum?”
    Why don’t Canada throw the Constitution at all these American expats, that are acting here from behind Millions of Dollars of “charitable donations”… mostly American?
    Monies at this magnitude and “coincidences” simply, don’t happen. No. Not at this speed and as broad.
    Whoever believes that there was never a premeditated plan, I’ll say, do what Vivian did… follow the money!
    Following is an older comment for:
    http://www.citycaucus.com/2011/05/has-vision-vancouver-received-indirect-donations-from-charities
    It works like a charm… again:
    ………………………………..
    The Thought of The Night
    “I would call what an article like this does to the Hollyhock crowd …‘The Weekend Cabin in the Woods Effect’.”
    Picture this…Some weekends you decide to go to your cabin, some you don’t; during all this time the cabin sits empty, or…that’s what you think.
    What happens in reality is simple; the Mother Nature takes over. The rats get in first, through the holes that were already there; than the racoons follow suit, there’s the neurotic squirrel, a few snakes, one or two bears might look curiously through the dusty windows once in a while, a family of bats…the spiders start their tedious web building in every corner of the main room; any piece of food you left unattended or forgot about, it is now ‘cockroached’ all over. As I said…Mother Nature, right?
    So it goes ‘dolce far niente’ like that for some time until… the ‘weekend’. The one that you want to go back… You get there and the first thing you do is, turn on the light or the light source.
    What happens next, it is something out of a comedy of horrors.
    A wild creature’s stampede is going to take place. The first to go are the rats, out they run; than the racoons, you feel sorry for the newly born; the squirrel caught in your torch light cannot move a muscle, she is terrified someone would mistake her for a rat, you give her a peanut to calm her down; the snakes ‘ssssssss’ their way out in sssssilence. Then, there are the cockroaches. They are the worst. They pretended to leave at the first sign, but they are still there, hidden in the creases, behind the old icebox, inside the oven, in between the barn tools, they are waiting for you, to go away again. They are very good at doing this, thousands of years of documented evolution of crawling through other peoples belongings, they are the best pretenders out there. You zap them, you DDT spray them, you squish them with your boot…they come back. They are like that. It’s a scary Symbiotic Experience that repeats from time to time…and that’s what Vivien does to them, it scares the sheyat out of them, whether they recognize it or not, it makes them uncomfortable, so uncomfortable they’ll have to temporarily move.
    Away.
    Hence – ‘The Weekend Cabin in the Woods Effect’.
    When (according to Vivian’s article) one entity (Endswell) grants 99% of their total grants (their entire business model) to one entity (Tides) that should not be looked at as a charitable donation. Not at all, that should be looked at as a bank transaction. ‘
    Endswell’ is the ATM, the Bankomat, the ‘Printing House’.
    ‘Tides’ is the Dealer, the Courier, the Customer. The only Customer.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxqv5W77cJg
    Tell you what. If that’s legally acceptable, when my daughter turns sixteen, I’ll give her a $ 20,000 cheque to buy herself only the greenest vehicle there is on the market, The Hybrid Epsilon Zero Emissions SmartAss two seater,and I will make sure to claim that as a charitable donation. I can feel my Methane Carprint Offset in my foot already…in the gas pedal foot, that is.
    Glissando Remmy | May 30, 2011 11:15 PM
    ………………………………..
    Nuff said.
    We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

  • boohoo

    Pat, you answered that question yourself already. If I may quote you:
    “But really, this is all about blaming messengers when you have no convincing response to the message”

  • R.Isaak

    @Pat Johnstone, can you provide a list of foreign based charities who are backing the right wing from abroad? Do you have any proof of this insinuation? Have you obtained any tax returns to back up your claims? Do you support the false insinuation of the apparent Kinder Morgan twinning of the Burnaby pipeline as the WC (Wilderness Committee) was saying in it’s press releases and rallies recently? Do you knowingly support a cause who is constantly lying about the causes they wish to protest?
    Please have the stones to prove your insinuations before speaking or typing, otherwise your windows will not function properly.

  • Max

    Fabulous Glissy!

  • Pat Johnstone

    Hmmm… How about Focus on the Family Canada and their sock-puppet IMFC? How about the CAPP, who notably paid $5000 to Vivian Krause for a “speakers honorarium”, and are funded by BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Exxon, the Koch Brothers, Shell, etc. How about the Fraser Institute, with funding from PhillipMorris, the Koch Brothers (again), and other American funding systems like the Carthage Foundation and the Claude Lambe Charitable Foundation?
    Sources:
    http://www.focusonthefamily.ca/
    http://www.capp.ca/aboutUs/membership/Pages/producerMembers.aspx#OQIMgOdE3OCT
    http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fraser_Institute
    Again, I am not saying whether this is wrong or right, I am just saying that both sides do it, even Vivian Krause, so it is disingenuous to be up in arms now that you have recognized the “Radical Left” have started doing what the Fraser Institute has been doing to 20 years. Ned is living in a dream world if the thinks “foreign influence” can be removed from the discourse.
    I don’t speak for the Wilderness Committee, have no idea what their position is on the KM pipeline, and frankly could care less. The WC opinion will not form my opinion. Nor will you with your veiled threats about my windows (?).

  • gman

    So the eco groups are taking money from Tides who get their money from the Rockefeller Bros. and Soros,big oil,to fight big oil.Thats hilarious,and they cant figure out that their pawns working to help Rockefeller and Soros stop north american oil from going to China LOL.

  • breyer

    Foreign influence of environmental groups is rampant in Canada and has been for many years. An obvious investment strategy for Joel Solomon and his hidden partners. If you can cause the devaluation of an asset by funding protests with cloaked funds. Investors can move in and buy up the spoils….
    Currently on Cortes Island there’s a campaign to stop selective Logging on private Forestry Zoned lands. The Protest has been funded all the way to the streets of London England.
    http://bit.ly/yDBLYy
    Overnight The Islands Old growth stumps have been turned back into pristeen ancient forests. The Island is all second growth forests.
    Joel Investors want the Private Forestry Lands to develop not save the forest….
    The Tides Foundations friends and investors are behind the Campaign.
    A petition against the private foressty land owner was authorered by persons living in Seattle Wa… They also happen to be partners with mayor frozen fruit juice in a venture called Treedom. inc…
    http://bit.ly/zps8Oc
    Joel Solomons “Renewal lands” purchased a large track of Private Forest land on Cortes a few years back after Tides funded local environmentalists to stop all logging. The land Renewal purchased came with conservation covenents that prevented subdivision yet Renewal succsefully had the restrictions removed. Creating the Siskin Lane development.
    The Tides Foundation being a regular funder of The Land Conservancy of BC clearly has clout to write what it wants whenever it wants it.
    Running a charity like The Tides Foundation appears to be a profitable venture. Many thanks to Vivian Krause for exposing the truth.

  • Max

    Pat:
    If there was nothing to Vivian Krause’s claims, then various groups would not have altered their web sites after being ‘exposed’ by her, and/or legal action would have been taken
    Where there is smoke, there is fire.
    The fact the TIDES is operating as a chairty, which means certain taxes are being skirted is a huge issue – as it would and should be with ANY corproation not paying their fair share. After all, that is what the Occupy groups are fighting against, isn’t it?

  • Max

    @Vivian Krause
    (if you are monitoring this blog)
    Didn’t the City of North Vancouver recently crawl into bed with TIDES for a water project or somethng?

  • boohoo

    Max,
    You’re missing/ignoring the point. She isn’t claiming anything about TIDES or Vision or whatever other boogeyman you want to bring up. She’s just saying both sides are doing it so spare us the hypocritical bs.
    But of course she just gets ripped by commenters here for even suggesting it.

  • The City of North Vancouver council voted to circulate a document from the Tides Energy initiative to other Metro Vancouver cities. To my knowledge no other city in the region has embraced this document from Tides.
    What it was was a glossy brochure full of platitudes about adopting alternative energy, while taking pot shots at the Federal government. Most city managers would see that and realize that it would be toxic when it came to any future partnerships with Ottawa, and would steer clear.
    Vivian has suggested that the goal of Tides and their funders is to create markets for alternative energy interests by building negative public opinion toward the oil sands. Tides Energy would seem to fit with that narrative.

  • Richard Unger

    Well… belated Happy New Year City Caucus and readers!
    What’s new? I was away for some time due to a stubborn illness, they call it “old age”, ha, ha, what do the doctors know these days, right?
    I was one of them!
    Health and wealth to all of you!
    Very true, Mike
    “Vivian has suggested that the goal of Tides and their funders is to create markets for alternative energy interests by building negative public opinion toward the oil sands. Tides Energy would seem to fit with that narrative.”
    I also want to add that Mrs. Krause is a very courageous and persistent woman, and if she wasn’t taken I would have proposed, btw, as I am writing this my wife sits behind my back and just said “you can have him dear, and I’ll pay for the delivery too” she’s all right, my wife, now in our mid seventies she tells me we are not in an exclusive partnership… ha, ha.
    So, I think Mrs. Krause hit the nail on the head. I spent some time on her blog and read thoroughly. An amazing read, her research is tremendous, and the ramifications from this financial revelation could be very damaging for any charity, non profit, foundation operating in this country.
    To me, the way money changes hands from one group to another until is lost in ‘transaction’ is unbelievable. No one would go to so much trouble unless they hiding stuff… from Uncle Sam’s IRS and from Canada Revenue. Lately they’ve just been sloppy, greedy, and Mrs. Krause got them.
    Distancing themselves from their own money trail
    “Since I started asking questions about it the Foundation has essentially shut down. They had a $600,000 payroll in 2009, and 2010 after I started asking questions they didn’t pay any more salaries. And in fact they reported to Revenue Canada they only had ten or twelve thousand dollars in expenses. Incidentally, Martha Burton also her involvement with Interdependent Investments ended – ONE WEEK after I wrote to the mayor about this in April. So she’s no longer involved in Interdependent Investments.” is an admission of guilt in itself. Is like a shoplifter discarding their merchandise when followed by Security.
    As a Canadian citizen all my life, as a tax payer, I am appalled and disgusted. US foundations have no business of influencing markets, business, and politics in this country. Period
    Thanks for reading.
    Dr. Richard Unger (MD) ret.

  • Richard Unger

    A special Happy New Year to my mysterious friend, Glissando Remmy, who… for what it’s worth, and I have to say it, he is probably, without knowing it, one of the best modern observers of life.
    His vivid description of facts, in such humorous detail, and with so much versatility, is … music to my years.
    thanks Glissando, all the best.
    Dr. Richard Unger MD (ret)

  • Max

    @boohoo:
    What are you taling about or referring to?
    Who is she?
    And which comment are you gnashing your teeth over this time?

  • boohoo

    Where you are replying to Pat seeing smoke and fire everywhere about Tides and all the evils when that’s not what she’s talking about. Nevermind though, not worth it with you.

  • Steven Forth

    Like many people, I am happy to have Tides as a counterweight to the massive effort to promote the bitumen sands and their related pipelines, much of which is funded by foreign capital. And it does not bother me that American environmental groups are active in Canada or that Canadian groups are active in the US. And I don’t begrudge the Fraser Institute its US money. All of this is a lame attempt to distract us from the real issues – the net economic and ecological impacts of bitumen extraction and use. There are some very good arguments on both sides, and the more effort made to uncover them the better. If there are any actual violations of tax laws I am sure the IRS and CRA will find them, they are generally quite good at that.

  • Been There, Heard That

    Pity about Garr.
    He used to be a legitimate journalist. But if it doesn’t fit the Vision narrative (on funding, casinos, bikes), he becomes your everyday character assasin.

  • Brilliant

    Steven, Pat et al-There is a huge difference between a foreign company investing money in Canada to creat jobs and profits and environmental “charities” using donations to stifle economic activity here.

  • It’s a shame, Steven, that you shrug off these concerns based on the argument that one side needs to balance off the other, regardless apparently of what the legalities or ethics involved are.
    What has fascinated me about Vivian’s findings is that after all her effort she hits a brick wall about the legalities of what these groups are doing. I too do not concern myself about the origins of the money, which as many point out is entering Canada in a variety of ways. China and the USA have the biggest stake, but there are undoubtedly other interests, OPEC countries, Europe, Russia – anyone in the oil and energy business.
    What is more concerning are the ethics of using charities to fund political operations. There is some clear evidence that this might be happening. That’s where a distinction can be made between a group like Tides and the Fraser Institute. The latter does not involve itself in political campaigning. Try hard and you won’t find someone from their organization holding fundraisers or running campaigns for the Tories, NPA, BC Liberals, whoever. This is not a defence of the Fraser Institute’s politics, but a recognition that they play by the rules.
    Whereas, members of the Renewal Partners organization are unabashed about their support of politics. Every interview Joel Solomon does he talks about his political goals. He’s the key advisor and fundraiser for Vancouver’s mayor. Even Hollyhock has a charitable designation, yet many programs up on Cortes are used to build political and business networks. They’re pretty up front about this.
    If you’re doing to do politics in BC, then lift your charitable status and you’re good to go is what I say. If you’re going to do charity work then do that, and keep the politics at a distance. However, after nearly three years of reporting about this (by this blog and by Ms. Krause) the blurring of lines between charity and politics continues apace. That’s why some NGOs are getting nervous that their charitable status is threatened, and with good reason.
    It’s not as though BC hasn’t had a scandal surrounding the funding of political operations through a charity. Bingogate ended up taking out a Premier about 17 years ago.
    http://www.citycaucus.com/2010/06/bcs-new-campaign-financing-rules-may-still-be-subject-to-abuse
    What makes today’s version of this story interesting is that it is cloaked in environmental righteousness. But as Vivian has eloquently deduced from her “stumbling” upon incriminating IRS data, this is certainly not about a bunch of Americans fretting about Canada’s environment. It’s about power, money and profit.

  • Bill

    Millions of barrels of oil are moved every day including through pipelines, tankers and thousands of offshore oil rigs so to suggest that we cannot move oil from Alberta by pipeline and offshore to Asia in an environmentally responsible way is ridiculous. The hearings should revolve around ensuring reasonable environmental safeguards are in place and not let the Climate Alarmists hijack the proceedings to delay the project because they don’t like fossil fuels.
    Can be be 100% certain there will not be a mishap? Of course not. If we required certainty in everything we did we would be still living in a cave.

  • Glissando Remmy

    The Thought of The Evening
    “From somewhere in space… alien Mother Spaceship to Planet Earth – Canada – BC – Vancouver – for the attention of Steven Forth… “Do we have to fill out a Money Declaration Form?”… “Yes, you do!”
    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomers/before-border.asp
    “Any amount of money more than CDN $10,000 that you are bringing into Canada”
    Steven,
    Just because you set up an intricate web of hotel rooms, postal boxes, faxes & telephones and monkeys answering the want ads, it doesn’t mean you qualify as “business”.
    It may look legitimate to you, but to me, this is nothing but a cheap con.
    A handful of people, moved Millions of Dollars inside Canada from the US, in the name of Charity, and then… they paid themselves in full… six zeros salaries…
    At a $10000 disclosure per piece crossing the Canadian border… electronically, their payroll should have been in the thousands.
    The only way this was done in the name of Charity is if they were the “Charity Family”!
    Which they are, LOL!
    You amuse me, Steven. Cheap spin. Keep them coming.
    We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

  • Steven Forth

    Glad to be of service.

  • Steven Forth

    “Try hard and you won’t find someone from their organization holding fundraisers or running campaigns for the Tories, NPA, BC Liberals, whoever.”
    How sure of this are you? I can’t speak for the NPA or BC Liberals but I have met the same crowd at the rare Fraser Institute event I attend and at federal Conservative events. You may want to do some research on this. And many of the same people who fund the Fraser Institute are heavily engaged in funding right right wing politics.
    If there have actually been violations I am sure that the CRA and the IRS will uncover them. I have more trust in them than I do in politically motivated bloggers.
    Again I am very happy to have Renewal Partners as an investment group in Vancouver (where we need more investors) and to have Tides active in our city. I am also happy to have the Fraser Institute active and I don’t think I will need to look very hard or very far to connect the dots.

  • Glissando Remmy

    Thanks, Dr. Unger,
    I somehow overlooked your message.
    Happy New Year to you and missus. She’s quite a gal, and you’re too funny!
    GR-eetings

  • Glissando Remmy

    The Thought of The Night
    “Light armored fighting vehicle, great speed, on board instrumentation, and fast response. Intended only as a training vehicle, part of a shock and awe, in & out strategy. Keep the enemy busy until the heavy artillery and the infantry follows through. Naah, I’m not talking about Vivian Krause taking aim at the Renewal/ Tides.
    Naah… this is about the Panzer I.”
    Steven,
    “If there have actually been violations I am sure that the CRA and the IRS will uncover them.”
    EXACTLY. It will come.
    Only they needed the Panzer I to awaken them, as their equipment is heavy, and their motivation is thin, as any bureaucrat would tell you, that of course if they weren’t hand picked out from the Hollyhock utopia.
    Oh, and they don’t like complications, lifestyle changes… like, doing their jobs!
    “I have more trust in them than I do in politically motivated bloggers.”
    There you go again. Sssssssnakey!
    From my Twitter:
    http://twitter.com/glissandoremmy
    “It Appears 2 Me That Z Term “Blogger” It’s Been Used By MSM As A Derogatory Term 2 Describe Someone Better Than… A “Journalist”!
    “Again I am very happy to have Renewal Partners as an investment group in Vancouver (where we need more investors) and to have Tides active in our city. I am also happy to have the Fraser Institute active and I don’t think I will need to look very hard or very far to connect the dots.”
    Pity, you did not invest with these guys, or be happy to have them here as well…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auSfaavHDXQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL32C7F2EE3AD626EB
    … but what do I know, right?
    We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

  • Steven Forth

    Happy to take a bet on this at http://longbets.org/
    “Within the next ten years there will be no IRS or CRA sanctions on the Tide Foundation in the US or Canada.”
    Actually born in the year of the dog, not the snake, and most people think I would fit best in Hufflepuff.

  • gman

    Steven I would suggest you read this book to understand what has happened to you. http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf

  • Max

    Ahhhh, twitter:
    grenouf Greg Renouf
    Entrance to #Hollyhock on #CortesIsland Even more beautiful in the snow. The http://bit.ly/xavp7l http://genuinewitty.tumblr.com/post/16181863815
    47 minutes ago
    nannylula JLThomson
    @grenouf LOL surprised to see so many gas guzzling cars and trucks in Hollyhock parking lot…where R bike carts..oh right, they are in COV
    2 minutes ago

  • Glissando Remmy

    The Thought of The Hollyhock
    “Every Vision Vancouver “plant’ gets his battery recharge time in Hollyhock.”
    After two dozens of innocent tweets, let’s call them lite Hollyhock propaganda I had to let Renouf go.
    Here:
    @grenouf
    “Photo: A bed of seaweed in the sand at a beach on southern Cortes Island… http://tmblr.co/Z2XUIwEVPCUZ
    8 Jan”
    in reply to ↑
    glissando remmy
    @glissandoremmy glissando remmy
    @grenouf JustCurious… AreUPromoting… Hollyhock? I thought that’s City of Vancouver: Mayor/ Vision/ Aufochs/ Solomon/ VanObserver’s Job!”
    Hollyhock… the Wise Guy’s retreat!
    We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

  • Glissando Remmy

    “Within the next ten years there will be no IRS or CRA sanctions on the Tide Foundation in the US or Canada.”
    So, let me guess, what you’re saying is… your bet is based on the assumption that your guys have corrupted them already?
    It figures.
    Same MO. Same crowd.
    Better watch this again:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auSfaavHDXQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL32C7F2EE3AD626EB
    It’s… how can I put it… wait for it… e-du-ca-tio-nal!

  • Max
  • Steven Forth

    So you won’t take the bet?

  • Terry M

    I followed this conversation between you and Glissando for some time and I couldn’t fail to notice your condescending way of talking back. Making bets on the issue at hand sounds like gambling to me. I’d say to Glissando, take the bet, I’ll chip in. Is that arrogance of yours, due to some lack of self esteem and/ or the eternal sense of guilt of your kosher friends, Steven?
    Or is this just another way of saying to all of, once again, how better and smarter than all of us your pals are? Or wicked.
    I think that Bernard Maddoff clip (if you watched it you would have to agree that it looked legit, could have fooled me too) explains it well “once a crook always a crook”‘
    Done.

  • Higgins

    terry,
    don’t bother with SF, he’s not worthy
    None of them are. that’s why they bought themselves a piece of an island, a place to hide and park their charity money.
    Millions of dollars can advocate for a lot of pristine environment, specifically the one that is boundary to their hollyhock properties…
    Stupid… we are not, SF!

  • ned

    Max, thanks for the link…
    “Steven Forth from Indigo Books & Music.”
    Could it be the same ‘trojan horse’ that this blog put up with for the past years?
    The same one that was telling us how delicate we should treat Vision and how nice and smart Robertson really is, and how fair and well deserved their 6 figures salaries are, for the likes ogf Sadhu and Ballem, the hollyhock gang members!!!
    Look who’s organizing this:
    “The Social Venture Institute, Hollyhock and Renewal version, hosted a very cool SVI at Kingbridge Centre near Toronto last weekend.”
    And look who’s attending:
    “Tzeporah Berman, Forest Ethics star, hosted Tom Katzenmeyer, SVP of Limited Brands, along with Nicole Rycroft, founder of Markets Initiative”
    You can only puke a little!
    LOL, Steven, now that we know your true colors, you lost all your credibility.

  • Peter

    It feels like a lot of jerks in there!

  • Steven Forth

    Happy to take the bet Terry. Say $100 on http://www.longbets.org. I will set this up and you and GR can come in.
    Not sure what the Indigo Books and Music thing refers to. I do review the odd book on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A3EC4WRRS9VTUQ?ie=UTF8&ref_=cm_cr_pr_pdp
    Although I have never made it to Hollyhock they have offered courses I would like to take (I am on their mailing list). Maybe one year.
    And I would expect people who believe that we are approaching peak oil or that oil-dependent energy production is environmentally destructive would have investments in alternative energy. If they did not you could accuse them of having double standards.

  • Steven Forth

    Reread the rules for Longbets. http://longbets.org/rules/
    Three things to note.
    1. The minimum bet is $200, I am OK with that.
    2. You have to use your real name. This may be an issue for GR but perhaps Terry M can stand in for him. Or Mike as he also feels strongly about the issue (and Mike, I appreciate your taking the time to write a long and coherent rebuttal to my position).
    3. “All Long Bets are about things that matter, directly or indirectly.” Not sure that Tides and its future really rise to this status, but if Terry or GR want to take the bet I will submit it.
    And GR, no, I don’t think Tides has corrupted the IRS or CRA. Do you?

  • George

    Steven
    I read a little of the Q&A section of your Longbets site..
    It looks as if this a ploy on your part to find out who Glissando Remmy is, he must be a threat.
    Since gambling is illegal as stated on this site, but the winner gets to direct their winnings to a philanthropic organization….isn’t that what Tides is doing with the charity, money, shell, game?.. It appears as if your only motive here is to try and find out who Glissando really is.
    The fact that you have been frantically posting when this subject comes up makes it suspect to many of us.
    Seriously…this is the equivalent to a pi**ing match
    “How come I can’t keep my winnings?
    You keep the most important thing, which is public credit for winning your Long Bet. Betting where bettors keep the money winnings is defined as gambling and is illegal throughout the United States. Though some may do it informally, a formal service like Long Bets must not. Having the winnings become philanthropic gifts solves the legal problem and also introduces an appropriate element of service and generosity to the whole process. Long Bets as a way of making money would be nuts anyway – the delay is too long. Set up as a form of giving, Long Bets engages long-term thinking and long-term responsibility in even more ways.”
    This is an American site, so Gliss can re-donate to Tides US if he wins, and it can be funneled back to Canada? Wouldn’t it be easier to just ask Gliss for a donation?
    Sorry Steven, but this is getting really funny..IMO
    LMAO.

  • Steven Forth

    Out of curiosity, what do you think my relationship to Vision etc. is?
    And I am pretty that GR can speak for himself.

  • Glissando Remmy

    The Thought of The Day
    “I prefer a game of Chess to that of a game of Ping-Pong.”
    First of all, I do not bet.
    This game is rigged.
    Second, yes, I can speak for myself.
    But thanks, George!
    Third, I would like to make one thing quite clear. I never explain anything.
    “Forth”, Steven… me too! 😀
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmv3WlKa6U8
    We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

  • George

    I just got spanked by Glissy… 🙁

  • George

    Steven…
    I’m well aware Gliss can speak for himself but this is a public blog, not controlled by anyone but Mike and Daniel.. they moderate, not you or any other posters.
    I posted my opinion and observations..so stop peeing in my corn flakes.Only a dog or a bully marks territory.
    Thank you
    George

  • boohoo

    Oh George, I missed you!
    You come in with accusations that Steven is plotting a devious scheme to ‘out’ yet you yell ‘bully’ at the slightest reply. Good stuff bud!

  • boohoo

    oops, that should be ‘out somebody’ of course…

  • George

    Funny boohoo I don’t miss you at all..
    Truth be told the bullying is the reason I don’t bother posting here anymore…I go to moderated sites where you guys are checked for your attacks..
    Nice to know you are still trolling and being true to yourself.

  • boohoo

    lol George!
    If everyone who ‘attacked’ me was censored like you want, there would be few people left to post! lol!

  • Brilliant

    So the Steven Forth who kept posting stuff like “I was just about to vote for NPA candidate X until Y happened” is a Vision plant? Nice.

  • Steven Forth

    I did vote for two NPA candidates (Klassen and Bickerton) and it was pretty clear I was not going to vote for a mayor that was not supportive of bike lanes and who was supportive of expanded casino gambling.
    The point of Longbets is to get people on record from both points of view or more. My point of view is that there is nothing behind the accusations that Tides has illegally moved money between various organizations.
    One can believe this and still be opposed to US environmental organizations being involved in Canadian policy. I personally appreicate their involvement given the massive funding provided by US and other foreign companies on the other side (I am not talking investment here, I am talking PR and lobbying). I also think environmental issues cross borders and that it is appropriate for me (for example) to donate to campaigns in the US and Japan, as well as Canada. Which I do.
    The accusation that people who oppose specifci development projects are disloyal is despicable rhetoric and anyone who indulges in it should be ashamed. We all have a right to our opinions and to voice them strongly. I think salmon farms (and tuna farms) are among the stupidest things I have heard of because of the energy economics. It makes no sense to farm carnivorous species and the damage done to the environment in the North Sea by “fishing” for fish that are processed into feed for salmong farms ihs an ecological disaster. The same is true of the menhaden fisheries on the east coast and the gulf. On the other hand, farming of oysters, shrimp, carp, tilapia and other vegeterian species can make sense if the right sageguards are in place. I generally favour these.

  • I take some satisfaction in the fact that after I pointed out a Tides Canada director published an op/ed in the Globe without mentioning his connection to the organization, he published another op/ed making it very clear he was a member of the Tides organization two days later.
    http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1117174–confessions-of-a-radical-environmentalist
    You see, a little transparency is good for the soul.

  • Higgins

    I read that, and IMO it was written as a ‘laugh in your face’ piece. A little more arrogance from those punks, just to make sure they are a bunch of uncaught, yet, future felons.

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  • Mira

    I got it! 🙂
    Jesus, Glissando, I am either too slow (most likely) or you are too subtle for me (most likely).
    You just made my day!
    This was a beaut:
    “”Forth”, Steven… me too! 😀
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmv3WlKa6U8
    After reading Steven’s (you must to read his first) comment, I finally got it! Clever and funny as always!
    I hope that Steven got it too. Ha!
    Jesus that clip was hilarious !

  • gman

    The simple question is,did tides a charitable foundation contribute to a political party? If they did they should lose their charitable standing,just like green peace. It is inconceivable to me that any Vancouver resident would be comfortable with any outside interest interfering in an election.

  • Higgins

    I lean 99% towards the “Yes they did!”
    But you cannot leave only Vivian to fight for the truth. MSM is a stinky, decaying old monkey. he doesn’t want to be ridden. But don;t tell that to the likes of Frances Bula and friends…
    http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/breaking-news-journalism-is-not-dead-come-see-for-yourself-this-week/
    and BTW it’s my understanding that money changed hands from Endswell to Tides where both Solomon and Robertson serve(d) in different capacities, paid themselves handsomely and also contributed to the political parties. One is now “mayor” the other one plays the little guru role… for the cult.